Question on Headers

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by Slayer » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:56 pm
I tend to get lost on all the header styles there are out there, and the amounts of changes the S series seemed to have went through.


just curious.

Pacesetter (are they good or bad)

1994-1996 Twincam (what else to they fit) is it these years only? was there the bolt pattern switch in there that stopped these from working on the 97-99?

i know 2000+ has the airpump, but is that the only change? do the bolts still line up?


Whats a decent price for these headers?

I can get them in Standard Black or Armour coating

thanks

 

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by Viperoni » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:01 pm
3rd gen (99+) is completely different.

91-98 DOHC are all the same.

Pacesetter's are cheap, use thin materials and will rust out. I dont know if the armour coating is decent or not. *I* wouldn't pay more than $200 for one.

 

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by andrew88 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:42 pm
For what its worth the bolt pattern for sohc never changed just added air pump in late 2000 models.
And yes the dohc were the same 91-98 (and early 99).

Not sure on the Pacesetter's no personal experience.
OBX are pretty good once you reweld the cracks lol.

And I agree I would not pay more than 200$ for a header for a 4 banger.

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by Rear-Vue » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:50 pm
or what you could do is go junkyard shopping and find the oem 91-92 dohc cast manifold which is a 4-2-1 style aka same as a header but made to last an has been proven to flow just as good as the fancy aftermarket ones. only thing i would do is just sand most of the rust on the runners and inbetween the collectors and give it a nice coat of high temp paint. i got mine a looong time ago for 60bux , 5bux for the sand paper and 10bux for the high temp paint better then the 140-250bux for the aftermarket headers.

 

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by andrew88 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:51 pm
I don't think Kenny will start selling used oem headers though lol

 

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by Rear-Vue » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:53 pm
i dont think he wants to sell headers just looking for one he can get. but i should mention the 91-92 manifolds dohc only work on 91-98 (some 99 if they're horizontal tb)

 

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by andrew88 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:55 pm
Ah I thought he was wanting to add one to his store my bad.. In that case there in a 92 sedan in Cookstown auto with one if none locally.

 

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by Slayer » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:11 am
yes i am actually re-searching for re-sale

but i also wanted to know for my own knowledge, cause i really dont know much about the small suttle differences between some models.

The armour coating is advertised as a high temp coating, that is poilished, and wont flake, discolour.... my internet is not working correctly so i cant lookup the exact details, but i know it was coated twice. cant rememebr priceing, but $200 i think was the price of the basic headers' retail price iirc

i'll look into it more tomorrow

 

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by Rear-Vue » Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:24 am
from all the headers and downpipes i'\ve had that are either painted or coated end up flaking or melting the first heat cyl it does. i would just get the plan jane and see if their is interest in the armor coating b.s. later.

 

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by Slayer » Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:53 am
The regular ones would retail for about $225 (S series Dohc)
Ion 2.2 is $240
Ion RL is $250

Armour coating seems to be 380 (Dohc)
390 (2.2L)
$400 (Redline)


here's the description on the armour coating from my supplier

Manufactured using mandrel-bent, mild steel tubing and surface-ground, thick steel flanges, PaceSetter Headers come with ArmorCoat, a polished, 2000 Degree F, metallic-ceramic coating. Each header undergoes an extensive preparation phase followed by two applications of the coating and a high-temp curing process. The ArmorCoat won't discolor like paint, chrome or dull finish coating, reduces underhood temperatures, resists rust and corrosion and is easy to keep clean. All PaceSetter Headers come with hardware, gaskets and illustrated instructions and are backed by a three-year warranty. Header bolts not included



The non coatied ones just say black painted finish ... yuk, but I assume its a high temp paint.

I shoudl mention $40 shipping to USA $80 Shipping to Canada added to these prices


after i return from vacation I am looking into a canadian wholesaler, its somewhat local, so shipping would be alot cheaper, (sometimes just the price of gas to go pick it up)


we'll see how that turns out

 

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by Viperoni » Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:39 am
For what it's worth, the shittier companies like Pacesetter, OBX and the like usually don't get the designs right.

In the SR20DE world, there's a few decent headers that push ~10hp over stock, the crappy ebays ones (along with OBX/pacesetter) that gain 5-8hp, and one completely sick header that makes 24hp over stock. Of course it's $750, but it's actually a good deal when you think about it.

In any case, the tubing on the stock DOHC headers was too small and was crush bent too, and im sure that's the same for the aftermarket ones, except they'd be mandrel bent.
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